many old texts indicate this as a condition required to be free.
i was damn lucky, so for me it made complete sense when i first read of it. a luxury quite few have.
so, what is 'no self'? it is literal meaning. denial of the self, the world. not one thought of the self or in perspective that the self and the world exist or matter. neglect to the hunger, breathing, heartbeat, thought, movement, life, death, sky, earth, love, suffering, happiness, god, philosophy, wisdom, cruelty, kindness, foes, friends, family, mankind, planet and the universe. silencing the world, the mind. sounds much like death in aramic tradition.
it's rough. most will find the above unpleasant. indeed it is unpleasant, as we have learned from childhood. and through this, many will find themselves unwilling to give it a thorough thought, much less will actually try.
i've learned this lesson the hard way. i had no one to advise me. this almost killed me. yet i was lucky and one japanese told me right words at the right time.
if we'd recall teachers of the past, they got free either with help of right hint at right time, luck if you will, or, which is more often so far i can tell, through prolonged self denial practice like living on a wild mountain or meditating non stop for months and years.
i wonder if there is a third option. to actually learn this lesson the easy way. all it takes for the self to be gone is change mind for one moment. this instant one becomes free. i am researching this question currently. anyone can help: destroy this world and tell me of your discoveries.
this instant everything can change.
good luck.
mickael
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If one thinks there is a self that needs to be gone then changing a mind will be nothing but a never ending war of a split self.
hi Ted,
indeed so. words are no good to speak of non existent.
good luck.
mickael
Hi Mickael,
Maybe the nonexistent is spoken of in what the saying is not saying, then? The other side of the said due to the point of the saying itself?
There is no speaking without words. Eh?
is there?
silly smile is way of the fool. :) smart ones can best a sand grain any time.
good luck.
mickael
"words are no good to speak of nonexistent."
Speaking is also saying something else that is nonexistent.
The way of the fool is hiding behind what his silly smile is not saying and hoping (no)one will read him.
Ted, saturn is rising.
yet, things will be only the way observed.
good luck.
mickael
Ans thing are what they seem because we call them something else.
is mountain a river? is there a mountain?
one slap!
thank you for this wonderful discussion. hope we both learned something here :)
good luck.
mickael
Check into my blog... I have been discussing my experience with selves in a way I think is pretty easy to understand. Even if you don't agree with it, it could be a basis for some useful discussion.
every master thinks their ways are pretty easy to understand. :) quite the contrary in fact. every master is lucky to see one or two in a lifetime who actually understands. :)
this aside, i see no ground for discussion after reading few posts on your blog. what i found there is pretty similar to my writings. if you have in mind any particular matter to discuss - you are welcome to ask.
good luck.
mickael
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